Does criminals deserve human rights?

In his report, he alleged that during his interrogation on Sept 12, he was punched and beaten with a rubber hose. He also alleged a piece of wood was used to hit his private parts.

That was an excerpt from a NST report titled "Suspect says he was beaten in lock-up" dated 27th September 2010.

Compare that to what the heartless criminal had done to more than a dozen of his victims where his latest four victims had been raped (for the lady), beaten senseless, stabbed many times over, being lit on fire maybe when they are still alive and their ashes strewn in the nearby river.

Beating up criminals who does not give a damn about the human rights of their victims should be treated the same as they had treated their victim.

An average of one white-collar crime involving lawyers is being reported every day nationwide and the public are advised to consult the Bar Council before engaging any lawyer.

Federal Commercial Crimes Investigations Department (CCID) deputy director DCP Datuk Nooryah Md Anvar said from January till September this year, police have arrested 35 lawyers nationwide for 290 cases reported against them.

That was an excerpt from The Sun titled "Check with Bar Council on lawyers: Police" dated 27th September 2010.

Members of Bar Council are human beings and as human beings are prone to being criminals who will use their law knowledge to get away with the crimes they had committed using their knowledge.

There should be a new harsher law imposed especially for lawyers who are proven to be guilty for being criminals when they can manipulate their clients and cheat them out of their properties to the extend of murdering them without any mercy.

Murderers regardless of whether they are lawyers, when they commit murders, they should be hanged to death. If child abusers are hanged to death, so should white collar criminals who murder their victims.

Just because they are more educated than a taxi driver, why should they get away with murder?

However, one question that should be asked to the public is that, what will the public do to the accused if those criminals are let off by their criminal lawyers on technicality?

I mean, for me personally nowadays too, I am vigilant when I see Indians. Does anyone else feel that way? Thinking that when will that Indian rob them?

Torture is recommended for criminals

Read up on the article below taken from The History of CIA torture by Darius Rejali.

Ice Water and Sweatboxes

The long and sadistic history behind the CIA's torture techniques.

By Darius Rejali

In the 20^th century, there were two main traditions of clean torture—the kind that doesn't leave marks, as modern torturers prefer. The first is French modern, a combination of water- and electro-torture. The second is Anglo-Saxon modern, a classic list of sleep deprivation, positional and restraint tortures, extremes of temperature, noise, and beatings.

All the techniques in the accounts of torture by the International Committee of the Red Cross, as reported Monday, collected from 14 detainees held in CIA custody, fit a long historical pattern of Anglo-Saxon modern. The ICRC report apparently includes details of CIA practices unknown until now, details that point to practices with names, histories, and political influences. In torture, hell is always in the details.

The ice-water cure. "On a daily basis during the first two weeks I was made to lie on a plastic sheet placed on the floor which would then be lifted at the edges. Cold water was then poured onto my body with buckets. ... I would be kept wrapped inside the sheet with the cold water for several minutes. I would then be taken for interrogation," detainee Walid bin Attash told the Red Cross.

In the 1920s, the Chicago police used to extract confessions from prisoners by chilling them in freezing water baths. This was called the "ice-water cure." That's not its first use. During World War I, American military prisons subjected conscientious objectors to ice-water showers and baths until they fainted. The technique appeared in some British penal colonies as well; occasionally in Soviet interrogation in the 1930s; and more commonly in fascist Spain, Vichy France, and Gestapo-occupied Belgium. The Allies also used it against people they regarded as war criminals and terrorists. Between 1940 and 1948, British interrogators used "cold-water showers" as part of a brutal interrogation regimen in a clandestine London prison for German POWs accused of war crimes. French Paras also used cold showers occasionally in Algeria in the 1950s. In the 1970s, Greek, Chilean, Israeli, and Syrian interrogators made prisoners stand under cold showers or in cold pools for long periods. And American soldiers in Vietnam called it the "old cold-water-hot-water treatment" in the 1960s.

Cold cell. Abu Zubaydah, another detainee, says, "I woke up, naked, strapped to a bed, in a very white room. … [T]he cell and room were air-conditioned and were very cold." There, he was shackled to a chair for two to three weeks. "Cold cell" is one of six known authorized CIA interrogation techniques.

Since the 1960s, torturers have adapted air vents to put "the air in a state of war with me," in the words of one prisoner. In the first recorded case in 1961, guards at Parchman, Mississippi's state penitentiary, blasted civil rights detainees with a fire hose and then turned "the air-conditioning system on full blast" for three days. In 1965, detainees in Aden reported that British guards kept them "undressed in very cold cells with air conditioners and fans running at full speed." In other countries, interrogators have forced prisoners to stand or squat for long periods in front of blasting air-conditioning units or fans, as in South Vietnam (1970s), Singapore (1970s), the Philippines (1976), Taiwan (1980), South Africa (1980s), and Israel (1991 to present).

In a scene eerily similar to the CIA interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, South Vietnamese torturers held Vhuen Van Tai, the highest-ranking Viet Cong officer captured, in a windowless white room outfitted with heavy-duty air conditioners for four years. Frank Snepp, a CIA interrogator who interviewed him in 1972 in the room regularly, described Tai as "thoroughly chilled."

Water-boarding. Abu Zubaydah says that after he was strapped to a bed, "[a] black cloth was then placed over my face and the interrogators used a mineral water bottle to pour water on the cloth so that I could not breathe." If the contents of the mineral-water bottle were carbonated, this would be a well-known Mexican police technique (tehuacanazo), documented since the 1980s.* The Mexican signature mark is to mix in a little chili pepper before forcing the water down the nasal passage.

Water-boarding is not a technical term in torture, and reports have described several different water tortures under this name. The ICRC report puts to rest which kind the CIA used. It turns out to be the traditional "water cure," an antique Dutch technique invented in the East Indies in the 17^th century. It migrated here after American troops returned from the Philippine insurgency in the early 20^th century. By the 1930s, the water cure was favored by the Southern police. Interrogators tie or hold down a victim on his back. Then they pour water down his nostrils "so as to strangle him, thus causing pain and horror for the purpose of forcing a confession." Sometimes torturers cover the face with a napkin, making it difficult for the prisoner to breathe, as the ICRC report describes.

Sweatboxes and coubarils. Abu Zubaydah says, "Two black wooden boxes were brought into the room outside my cell. One was tall, slightly higher than me and narrow. … The other was shorter, perhaps only [3 feet 6 inches] in height." The large box, which Abu Zubaydah says he was held in for up to two hours, is a classic sweatbox. Sweatboxes are old, and they came into modern torture from traditional Asian penal practices. If you've seen Bridge on the River Kwai, you know the Japanese used them in POW camps in World War II. They are still common in East Asia. The Chinese used them during the Korean War, and Chinese prisoners today relate accounts of squeeze cells (xiaohao, literally "small number"), dark cells (heiwu), and extremely hot or cold cells. In Vietnam, they are dubbed variously "dark cells," "tiger cages," or "connex boxes," which are metal and heat up rapidly in the tropical sun.

Abu Zubaydah was also placed into the smaller box, in which he was forced to crouch for hours, until "the stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in the leg and stomach became very painful." This smaller type of box was once called a coubaril. Coubarils often bent the body in an uncomfortable position. They were standard in French penal colonies in New Guinea in the 19^th century, where some prisoners were held in them for 16 days at a stretch.

Both kinds of boxes entered American prison and military practice in the 19^th century. They were a standard part of naval discipline, and the word sweatbox comes from the Civil War era. In the 1970s, prisoners described sweatboxes in South Vietnam, Iran (tabout, or "coffin"), Israel, and Turkey ("tortoise cell"). In the last three decades, prisoners have reported the use of sweatboxes in Brazil (cofrinho), Honduras (cajones), and Paraguay (guardia). And after 2002, Iraqi prisoners held in U.S. detention centers describe "cells so small that they could neither stand nor lie down," as well as a box known as "the coffin" at the U.S. detention center at Qaim near Syria.

Standing cells. Walid Bin Attash says, "I was put in a cell measuring approximately [3 feet 6 inches-by-6 feet 6 inches]. I was kept in a standing position, feet flat on the floor, but with my arms above my head and fixed with handcuffs and a chain to a metal bar running across the width of the cell." Over the last century, many prisons had built-in, tall, narrow, coffin-size cells, in which prisoners were forced to stand for hours, their hands chained to the ceiling. In the early 20^th century, the women's prison in Gainesville, Texas, had a standing cell in the dining room so that prisoners could smell the food.

High-cuffing. Detainees routinely describe having their hands cuffed high above their heads while they stand with their feet on the ground. This is less damaging than full suspension by the wrists, which causes permanent nerve damage in 15 minutes to an average-size man. High-cuffing increases the time prisoners may be suspended, elongates the pain, and delays permanent injury. It is a restraint torture, as opposed to a positional torture, which requires prisoners to assume a normal human position (standing or sitting), but for a prolonged period of time.

High-cuffing is an old slave punishment of the Americas, once called "hanging from the rafters." John Brown, a free slave, said of it, "Some tie them up in a very uneasy posture, where they must stand all night, and they will then work them hard all day." American military prisons adopted the practice in World War I. High-cuffing was the standard prescribed military punishment for desertion, insubordination, and conscientious objection. Prisoners were handcuffed to their cell door eight to nine hours a day, in one case for up to 50 days. They described high-cuffing as excruciatingly painful, and the American public, otherwise unsympathetic with these prisoners, found the practice appalling, sparking a newspaper debate over "manacling" in November 1918. A month later, the War Department rescinded high-cuffing as a mode of punishment.

Towels, collars, and plywood. Sometimes torturers come up with something entirely new. "Also," says Abu Zubaydah, "on a daily basis during the first two weeks a collar was looped around my neck and then used to slam me against the walls of the interrogation room. It was also placed around my neck when being taken out of my cell for interrogation and was used to lead me along the corridor. It was also used to slam me against the walls of the corridor during such movements."

This is a novel approach to beating someone in a way that leaves few marks. For 30 years, I've studied a long and remorseless two centuries of torture around the world, and I can find only one instance of an account resembling the collars and plywood technique described in the ICRC report. It's American. During World War I, conscientious objectors in military prisons report that their guards dragged them like animals with a rope around the neck, across rough floors, slamming them into walls. This one, as far as I can tell, is entirely homegrown.

Police beating criminals happen all around the world

Police Beating

This is a must for all criminals. The harder the beating the better because they will disregard the safety of their victims and will kill them mercilessly.

Read more on the Torture and Democracy written by Derius Rejali describing the police torture techniques. If you don't want to be beaten like the criminals that they are, don't be one, okay?

When will we see justice served?

Ravi Nekoo, D.P. Vijandran and Pushpa Ratnam, lawyers defending Pathmanabhan A/L Nalliannen and his brother

3 lawyers had been appointed by the family of the accused of the brutal murder of Datuk Sosilawati Lawiya, 47, her driver Kamaruddin Shamsuddin, 44, lawyer Ahmad Kamil Abdul Karim, 32 and CIMB bank officer Noorhisham Mohammad, 38.

Some other 13 or more victims could suffer the same fate as the four victims.

The Bar Council which membership consist of those who will take opportunity to blast the police and the government any chance that they have when it comes to defending criminals. Read more here.

We can see the biased statement of them concerning issues of Kugan and also in this case where they will never blast a murderous criminal from the Indian race. The lawyer that had been the main suspect of this case is a member of the Bar Council too and the lawyers defending him are from Bar Council also.

We hope that these murderous unfeeling monsters (the 8 suspects who are Indians) will be charged swiftly and will be put to death by hanging quickly too because they had without remorse repeated their crimes since they had never been caught before.

S. Usharani, 24, the wife of a missing businessman A. Muthuraja from India will be holding a press conference tomorrow to reveal all on the two lawyer brothers.

Why can't you speak proper National Language?

To those who champions themselves to be Malaysian first and their race later, why should they be so racist that they would still cling to their vernacular schools?

Action speaks louder than words and your actions proves otherwise. Vernacular schools are the root of all racism and evil.

This is Malaysia, not China and India. If you still want your own schools which follows the syllabus of your originating country, go back there.

This is Malaysia and Malaysia should have one school for all.

Criminals will murder their victim without a second thought to cover their tracks!

All readers are encouraged to watch the youtube which could possibly be the scenario of what might have happened to the victims of the bogus Datuk cum serial killer who had cheated many of his victims out of their wealth here.

We can read about this reader who wrote a letter to The Sun (another racist paper just like The Star) claiming that "My question is: How can there have been a murder when no body has yet been found, and how can the suspect have been arrested, handcuffed and detained when no real proof that he committed the murder has yet been furnished? You can read more here.

Dear Marisa Demori from Ipoh. Are you that ignorant to the fact that ruthless and brutal criminals who will go to the extend of beating his victim with a cricket bat, stabbing them over and over, putting cow dung on them and pouring petrol all over them before burning them till their remains became ashes and bones and strewning the ashes into the river are monsters?

Please wake up to the harsh reality of the world. Criminals nowadays will do whatever it takes to destroy the evidence of their ruthless crimes. If they are that cruel, should the police give them a 5 star hotel treatment?

If this unfortunate brutal murders happen to your own family, I want to advice you to remember that the criminal that did that to your family is innocent until proven guilty even though he committed the crime right in front of you and you can recognize his face, okay?

We read over and over again about snatch thieves which disregard the lives of their victims that many of them died after handbags was snatched. The same applies to this brutal murder where the criminals conned the victims out of their money and when the victims found out about it and demanded the return of their money, the criminals will plan on how to get rid of their victims.

I really want to laugh out loud. The defenders of criminals are so concerned about the human rights of the criminals who murdered their victims. Let me ask you one important question. Do you for once think about the human rights of the victims that were murdered to the extend that they were burnt until they became ashes?

Do you think about the human rights or the feelings of the families of the victims? The shock of their lives that they had when they discovered their loved ones were treated that badly that they could not even get back their remains.

Stop being a hypocrite. When criminals of your own race for example someone like Kugan committed crimes, you will come to their rescue with the blink of an eye. But when a Malay Muslim is murdered and burnt beyond recognition, you just ignore it as if nothing gross had happened.

Readers are encouraged to read more about this case here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

Justice for Datuk Sosilawati

We can see the dissatisfaction of the public towards the biased attitude of Hindraf and NGOs that are more inclined towards Pakatan Rakyat here.

Beaten to death by a cricket bat, stabbed numerous times, burnt with cow dung until what's left is their bones and their ashes strewn in the river.

Only heartless animals will do that to other people because they don't feel any guilt or pity towards the victims and think that they can get away with murder as they had gotten away with it before.

Read more about the merciless killings here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.

There are good people and bad people everywhere but since we cannot know what is in their hearts, we should be more wary and careful. Or else we will end up as ashes strewn in the river by the conmen who had conned us.

Some of the opposition supporter does not believe a word that is written about this murder and assumed that the way of the murder had been done had been exaggerated by the police.

They would be so petty minded to believe the crap written by RPK who had proven himself to be a coward when he slandered Datin Seri Rosmah as being involved in the murder of Altantuya.

Who in their right mind would believe that crap? Only imbeciles who read the blogs of the opposition that do not provide any solid evidence to back up their accusations.

WTF? When it comes to Kugan and Teoh Beng Hock, they will be the first person to blow things out of proportion. But when it comes to their goons being involved with a serial killing of Malays, they will ignore that and just keep quiet.

They are the biggest hypocrites of all, only making issues out of the things that will benefit them the most, but when it's damaging, they will be elegantly silent.

Let's make this issue big since it is in fact a real big issue. Let's have a parade demanding justice for Datuk Sosilawati and have the victims family members carry the pictures of them whenever there is a hearing of the case in court as well.

They had done that and we can do it too. We can do more than what they can do.

Another thing, the police should not wait until a famous person becomes a victim first to start investigating the crimes seriously but when unknown people are victims, they are just like scabby dogs who died and will not get any justice.

This bad attitude will only damage the image of the police force because the public thinks they are choosy when it comes to the prioritising the cases.